Binder Tabs

Archive of Older Topics Archive - Specifications Discussions #3
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Following the other thread, I have investigated binder tabs and would like to make a offer to the 4specs users.

Set of 00 and 02-14 tabs in a 14 cut tab set (ie 14 tabs on each bank of pages)

Set of 21,22,23,25,27,28,31,32,33 also in a 14 cut set - so that people working in the engineering divisions would have all of them in a matching set - all the tabs the same width and color combination as in the first bank of tabs.

Possibily other combinations - such as just 31,32,33 as we go along, and perhaps 15, 16 and do the banks as banks of 16 so the 15/16 fits on the first bank.

I am assuming just the number on the tab and no description.

The cost to me is a bit under $3 for the set of 14 tabs, about $2 for the set of 9 tabs in quantities of 1,000 sets, plus postage amd mailing to you.

My wife thought a promotion of 5 sets to each 4specs-specifier user (anticipating around 500 specifiers responding) would be a great reminder of 4specs and a reason to tell others about 4specs. If you wanted more (say 30 sets) we would sell the additional ones at cost - probably paying with a credit card through Paypal to keep it simple or possibly a check to 4specs.

We could also make sets in quantity available to chapters to sell (selling them at or below our cost - we would like to put our logo on the first page, but that would be negotiable).

Questions:

  1. Is this of interest to you and how many sets would you want?
  2. All tabs white or multicolored?
  3. Your thoughts of the interest at the chapter level to resell?
  4. Need for 34,35, 40+ sections?
  5. Other suggestions or comments.

If this goes ahead I will place an order for the first 1,000 sets and make an announcement here and set up the way to order.

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I really like having the names (or a shortened version thereof) on the TAB. just plain numbers I can get.
Colors are fine.
34-35 etc. would not be needed but one in a blue moon but it would be nice to know you could get them.

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Q1: Yes!
Q2: White is fine for my needs.
Q3: Has potential–I’ll check with my chapter’s fundraising chair.
Q4: Not really, except I do use Division 41 on occasion (41 22 00) for hoists and jib cranes.
Q5: Why drop Division 01? I would rather have 01 and not 00 since 00 is right there at the beginning behind the TOC and the few sheets of other introductory information.

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Q1: Yes! And about 100 sets (00 - 33) to start.
Q2: For ease of use and loacating, tabs should be colored (but all one color would be fine; no need to have multiple colors per set). And I second the motion for including the Division name, even if some of them have to be abbreviated.
Q3: Possible. I’ll pass it on.
Q4: Ditto on Division 41.
Q5: Need both Division 00 and Division 01 (bearing in mind that the tabs will be used for purposes other than filing just product data). And add Division 26 to your list also.

Thank you, Colin

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I did a google search and found several manufacturers of custom tabs. Price ranged from about $10 each for 100 sets to under $5 each for 1,000. This included all Divisions, including 00 through 42 (except unassigned ones, of course), with Division names.

For maximum flexibility at limited extra cost, I would propose including all divisions, including 00. This would make them useful to more people and firms. In my office, since many would use the tabs who haven’t memorized MF 2004, having the names on them is almost mandatory. Color is not important, but all one color is best.

Without all sections, and without Division names, I would not be interested.

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CSI used to offer tabs for sale for 16 Division MF. I still have several sets in use. They are white with Division # on tab, and all 16 divisions listed; current division boldfaced. Still work grrreeeaaattt!

Colin,
I’m in for whatever your produce.

Wayne

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I just had a request for some of the older 16-division tabs last week (they can be recycled) so I know there is interest.

I would be interested.

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Thanks Colin!

Q1: I’m interested in about a dozen to start with.

Q2: Tighty whities is fine with me. :wink:

Q3: Speaking as the immediate past president of the Puget Sound Chapter, we are always looking for ways to earn money and provide services to our members. So yes my chapter is interested in buying in bulk.

Q4: No on 34 through 49. Just can’t see a use for them on future projects.

Q5: I would like Divisions 00 and 01. It would be nice to put the division name on the tab even if in small print.

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I suppose David is correct in that we, too, would make limited use of Divisions 34 through 48. Perhaps they can be available separately. I’d prefer a color over white. (And by the way, David, isn’t it “tidy” whities?)

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I’m with all the rest; yes we want them; white is fine; no on 34-49; divs 00 and 01 are very useful.

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CSI used to produce a set of tabs that had the “broadscope” sections listed on the face of the tab sheet. The later editions did not have this listing, and I was sorry to see it go. It was a useful reference for those who were less familiar with where everything is supposed to go.

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Colin,

We’d be interested in Div 1 thru 16 with additional tab for 0. Quantity would probably start at 50 sets.

We have not switched to MF 2004 yet, but expect to do it soon, so we’ll also need those eventually; we wouldn’t need 34-49.

I also agree on a single color and name of the divisions on the tabs.

[We are getting close to getting these printed - perhaps in the next 2 weeks. Price looks like $5 per set of 27 - 25 plus 2 blanks you could use for 15/16 - plus postage. I’ll let everyone know once they are available. Colored tabs and division number and title on each tab - done in 3 banks of 9 tabs each. Colin]

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Colin,

Just to clarify the 27 tabs:

First group of 9:
00
01
02
03
04
05
06
07
08

Second group:
09
10
11
12
13
14
21
22
23

Third group:
25
26
27
28
31
32
33
blank
blank

Does this sound about right?

Thanks again for taking this on; I suspect these will be very popular.

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Exactly - here are the tab numbers, position and color

Bank 1 Tab Position Color
00 - Procurement 1 Clear
01 - General Requirements 2 Light Grey
02 - Existing Conditions 3 lt blue
03 - Concrete 4 med blue
04 - Masonry 5 dark blue
05 - Metals 6 purple
06 - Wood & Plastics 7 lt green
07 - Thermal & Moisture 8 med green
08 - Openings 9 dark green

Bank 2
09 - Finishes 1 lt yellow
10 - Specialties 2 yellow
11 - Equipment 3 pink
12 - Furnishings 4 coral
13 - Special Construction 5 light amber
14 - Conveying Equipment 6 brown
21 - Fire Suppression 7 orange
22 - Plumbing 8 Warm Red
23 - HVAC 9 Red

Bank 3
25 - Integrated Automation 1 lt blue
26 - Electrical 2 med blue
27 - Communications 3 dark blue
28 - Electronic Safety 4 purple
31 - Earthwork 5 lt green
32 - Exterior Improvements 6 med green
33 - Utilities 7 dark green
(leave blank) 8 light grey
(leave blank) 9 dark grey

Any feedback is highly desirable.

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Colin,

I prefer color white for all for simplicty. Large font boldface Division # with small font for Division name is good enough for me. Color coding is not important.

I prefer for Bank 1 include 00-14 inclusive; Bank 2 21-33 inclusive.

Thanks for taking ownership of this much needed product.

Wayne

ps Think snow.

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I will order some regardless if they are all white or with color.

Thanks for taking it on.

I also agree with Wayne about the large for Div No. and small for name.

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Colin,

Count me in regardless if white or in color.

Thanks

Tommy

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We will order as well. Prefer a single color. By referring to “banks”, I assume that the proposal is for nine tabs top to bottom before starting again at the top. Are they big enough to clearly read? Would we be better off with five-cut tabs (or something) so the text could be larger?

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Just another idea for the “banks”–

  1. Div. 00 through 19

  2. Div. 20 through 26

  3. Div. 27 through 33

and if possible include about 5 blanks for those of us who use some variations to suit our practices.

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I currently use sets of dividers that have 15 per bank. They are numbered only, in about a 20 point font. There is room on the tab for a very small division name abbreviation (4 point, perhaps). The numbers are easily read; the names would be much less so.

The 9 per bank that Colin proposes seems like a good compromise between size of bank and readability of tab information if the name is included.

The only suggestion for change that I would make is to consider that, when project manuals are printed in 2 volumes, they are separated after Division 14 (Volume 1), and Mechanical, Electrical, Fire Protection, and the rest are put into Volume 2. If it would be possible to have the banks accomodate that arrangement, it would lend some consistency. Perhaps 2 banks of 9 (with 3 blanks in the second bank), numbered 00 through 14? Unfortunately, the rest don’t divide neatly into groups of 9 - or there are a lot of blanks!

But I’m in regardless!