# Number, Please **URL:** \ **Category:** MasterFormat 2004 Discussions\ **Created:** [August 29, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881 "2007-08-29T14:33:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![specman](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/specman/32/222_2.png) [@specman](https://forum.4specs.com/u/specman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/21 "2007-09-06T19:21:02Z")
Shouldn’t it be a half dozen donuts? 00 00 00 ---
**Author:** ![Rliebing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c57346/32.png) [@Rliebing](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Rliebing)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/22 "2007-09-06T19:40:19Z")
If ever near-by in the same room, I will seek to avoid standing next to you guys! ---
**Author:** ![David\_Axt](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/david_axt/32/24_2.png) [@David\_Axt](https://forum.4specs.com/u/David_Axt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/23 "2007-09-06T19:53:50Z")
00 00 00.13 ---
**Author:** ![sheldon\_wolfe](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/sheldon_wolfe/32/197_2.png) [@sheldon\_wolfe](https://forum.4specs.com/u/sheldon_wolfe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/24 "2007-09-07T02:47:49Z")
half plus a baker’s dozen ---
**Author:** ![tracy\_van\_niel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/tracy_van_niel/32/210_2.png) [@tracy\_van\_niel](https://forum.4specs.com/u/tracy_van_niel)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/25 "2007-09-11T15:21:37Z")
Actually, if the perforated pastry units were to be furnished as part of a project meeting requirement, then it should be included under the 01 31 19 number sequence. I served on the Institute Education Committee with Bob Hockaday (who is from Hawaii). I remember him telling a story about an architect there who specified that a luau for the project team had to be held as part of the project closeout! ---
**Author:** ![rm\_beard\_ccs](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/rm_beard_ccs/32/80_2.png) [@rm\_beard\_ccs](https://forum.4specs.com/u/rm_beard_ccs)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/26 "2007-09-11T16:04:33Z")
The late Fred Tilp, one of the very first members of CSI, used to include a chill recipe along with the cold weather requirements for concrete. He was always a fun guy to be around. ---
**Author:** ![lynn\_javoroski](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/lynn_javoroski/32/188_2.png) [@lynn\_javoroski](https://forum.4specs.com/u/lynn_javoroski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:26pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/27 "2007-10-17T12:26:12Z")
OK, this one’s serious. Suggestions, please, for the Division and Section that a Knox-Box (High security Industrial/Government Key Box) should be specified. My immediate thought is 087916. ---
**Author:** ![sharon\_l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@sharon\_l](https://forum.4specs.com/u/sharon_l)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:28pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/28 "2007-10-17T12:28:40Z")
I have keying and lock boxes in my door hardware section. ---
**Author:** ![davidcombs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7993a0/32.png) [@davidcombs](https://forum.4specs.com/u/davidcombs)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:37pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/29 "2007-10-17T12:37:42Z")
Can also be located in 08 79 13 - Key Storage Equipment. ---
**Author:** ![lynn\_javoroski](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/lynn_javoroski/32/188_2.png) [@lynn\_javoroski](https://forum.4specs.com/u/lynn_javoroski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/30 "2007-10-17T12:39:12Z")
Evidently, there is also Section 104116 Emergency Access (or Key) Cabinet. That might make the fire marshall happier. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Axt](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/david_axt/32/24_2.png) [@David\_Axt](https://forum.4specs.com/u/David_Axt)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/31 "2007-10-17T16:27:54Z")
Lynn, You should start a new thread on this one. Since Knox-Boxes are a small commodity piece, I specify them in 087100 - Door Hardware. I can’t imagine figuring out enough verbiage to make a separate section. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8491ac/32.png) [@Anonymous](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/32 "2007-10-17T17:15:23Z")
KISS!!! ---
**Author:** ![lynn\_javoroski](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/lynn_javoroski/32/188_2.png) [@lynn\_javoroski](https://forum.4specs.com/u/lynn_javoroski)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/33 "2007-10-17T19:33:54Z")
Anonymous: I agree - it’s something I learned as high school newspaper editor. However, since more jurisdictions are demanding these, I’m wondering if a one page section that would show up in the Table of Contents wouldn’t make more sense. ---
**Author:** ![bunzick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a587f6/32.png) [@bunzick](https://forum.4specs.com/u/bunzick)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/34 "2007-10-17T20:45:40Z")
Perhaps it would fall under “Fire Command Center Specialties,” and could include storage cabinets for building plans and other fire services-mandated items. ---
**Author:** ![ann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@ann](https://forum.4specs.com/u/ann)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/35 "2007-10-19T17:36:17Z")
As usual, I’m behind again, but like Lynn we put the Knox box in 104116 Fire Department Key Box. ---
**Author:** ![john\_regener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@john\_regener](https://forum.4specs.com/u/john_regener)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881/36 "2007-10-19T18:28:07Z")
Section 10 41 16? A whole spec Section for a 4" x 5" x 3" metal box with a specially-keyed door? It’s practically overkill to have an article in the door hardware spec devoted to it, but that’s how I handle it. Remember, Masterformat is for specifications and not for data filing. Some day there may be a CSI-produced format for data filing. [Previous page](https://forum.4specs.com/t/number-please/881.md?page=1)