# Masterformat 2004 numbers and titles **URL:** \ **Category:** MasterFormat 2004 Discussions\ **Created:** [June 11, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235 "2004-06-11T23:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dbrinley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbrinley](https://forum.4specs.com/u/dbrinley)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/1 "2004-06-11T23:36:32Z")
Anybody know where ‘truck scales’ or ‘axle scales’ fall in the new Masterformat? ---
**Author:** ![Davemetzger](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/davemetzger/32/389_2.png) [@Davemetzger](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Davemetzger)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/2 "2004-06-12T01:32:54Z")
That’s a weighty question. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Johnson\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Bob\_Johnson\_1](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Bob_Johnson_1)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 5:11pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/3 "2004-06-13T17:11:49Z")
10 88 00 Scales ---
**Author:** ![dbrinley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbrinley](https://forum.4specs.com/u/dbrinley)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/4 "2004-06-14T15:41:14Z")
a weighty question - you wrascals! I thought 10 88 00 scales also, except these are industrial equipment, $40,000 each, and have electronic instrumentation. It seems weird these would be in the same neighborhood as flags, banners, and security mirrors, eh? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Combs\_CSI\_CCS\_CCCA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a698b9/32.png) [@David\_Combs\_CSI\_CCS\_CCCA](https://forum.4specs.com/u/David_Combs_CSI_CCS_CCCA)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 5:43pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/5 "2004-06-14T17:43:40Z")
Seems like it ought to be in Division 34, but I don’t see it in there anywhere. As an option, perhaps 11 10 00 - Vehicle and Pedestrian Equipment, but I don’t see it there either. Maybe someone from the MF Task Team can assist? Is it too late to get this item into the final edition? ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Johnson\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Bob\_Johnson\_1](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Bob_Johnson_1)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/6 "2004-06-14T21:07:23Z")
The other location for process engineering scales would be 41 14 36 Weigh Scales. ---
**Author:** ![dbrinley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbrinley](https://forum.4specs.com/u/dbrinley)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/7 "2004-06-14T21:26:20Z")
Thanks Bob, I am using that number. ---
**Author:** ![shelbyng](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@shelbyng](https://forum.4specs.com/u/shelbyng)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/8 "2004-09-01T19:09:54Z")
I understand that, finally, “Division 0” is to be officially sanctioned. Or is it “Division 00”? Do we call it “zero,” “zero-zero,” “double-O,” “ought naught,” or just “oh-oh”? ---
**Author:** ![john\_regener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a5b964/32.png) [@john\_regener](https://forum.4specs.com/u/john_regener)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/9 "2004-09-01T19:20:48Z")
Try, “uh-oh” ---
**Author:** ![davidcombs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7993a0/32.png) [@davidcombs](https://forum.4specs.com/u/davidcombs)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/10 "2004-09-01T19:27:55Z")
So . . . Would that mean a contractor’s construction attorney looking for discrepancies and loopholes in the front end documents would be a . . . Double-nought Spy? ---
**Author:** ![Dennis\_Hall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dennis\_Hall](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Dennis_Hall)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 12:51am UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/11 "2004-09-02T00:51:12Z")
Shelby: Even though all Division numbers are written with two digits, it is still Division Zero. We don’t say Division one - one, its eleven. ---
**Author:** ![doug\_frank\_ccs\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9dc877/32.png) [@doug\_frank\_ccs\_1](https://forum.4specs.com/u/doug_frank_ccs_1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/12 "2004-11-04T14:50:48Z")
anybody know where “Interior” expansion joint covers might best be specified? I searched and searched through the entire MF04 and could only find expansion joint covers listed in section 07 95 00, but that’s exterior envelope stuff. I was hoping to find an “Interior Expansion Joint Covering” section somewhere but had no luck. ---
**Author:** ![sheldon\_wolfe](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/sheldon_wolfe/32/197_2.png) [@sheldon\_wolfe](https://forum.4specs.com/u/sheldon_wolfe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/13 "2004-11-04T15:01:05Z")
079500 is title “Expansion Control” but doesn’t indicate it’s limited to exterior work. Try 079513 - Expansion Joint Cover Assemblies. ---
**Author:** ![doug\_frank\_ccs\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9dc877/32.png) [@doug\_frank\_ccs\_1](https://forum.4specs.com/u/doug_frank_ccs_1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/14 "2004-11-04T15:17:56Z")
I agree Sheldon that 0795xx does not specifically say “Exterior”. However the title of Division 07 “Thermal and Moisture Protection” certainly suggests exterior components. As you look through Division 07, nearly every work result has to do with exterior building envelope type stuff (with the exception of the fireproofing and firestopping that we’re used to seeing located there in 0780xx). I would never think to look in Division 07 for those accordian-shaped PVC deals that fit between two suspended ceiling Ts, or for some polished brass floor joint assembly. Seems like Division 09 would have been a more logical location. ---
**Author:** ![bunzick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a587f6/32.png) [@bunzick](https://forum.4specs.com/u/bunzick)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 3:33pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/15 "2004-11-04T15:33:37Z")
Perhaps Division 09 seems more logical on first blush. But, Division 07 seems a whole lot better than 05800 where that stuff is now. Division 5, Metals?! Clearly '04 will continue to have anomolies like '95. This is one of the results of widespread rejection of the idea of a more wholesale reworking of MasterFormat. ---
**Author:** ![curtn](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex047/user_avatar/forum.4specs.com/curtn/32/101_2.png) [@curtn](https://forum.4specs.com/u/curtn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/16 "2004-11-04T16:03:38Z")
If you had a parking ramp, would you specify expansion control in Div 09? It would be more complicated if there were 2 places for it. With all of the attention to air barrier systems, expansion control may have to control air leakage as well as differential movement. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_johnson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85e7bf/32.png) [@bob\_johnson](https://forum.4specs.com/u/bob_johnson)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/17 "2004-11-04T16:05:15Z")
All expansion control assemblies in MasterFormat 2004 are at 07 95 00, relocated from 05800 in 1995. This includes interior and exterior expansion control just as joint sealants in Division 07 have not been limited to exterior joint sealants. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Wolf\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@Tony\_Wolf\_1](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Tony_Wolf_1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/18 "2004-12-21T19:13:31Z")
When the 6-digit numbers appear in the project manual, are they to be shown as 3 pairs separated by spaces? It sure helps readability, but I see them shown with and without the spaces. Is this clearly stated somewhere? Colin comment - CSI has left the format open. The MF2004 book uses xx xx xx. ARCOM, BSD and others have adopted xx xxxx. I am leading to the latter and use it on the pages with MF2004 numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Dennis\_Hall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dennis\_Hall](https://forum.4specs.com/u/Dennis_Hall)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/19 "2004-12-21T20:29:50Z")
Tony: The applications guide in the book presents three graphic display options. xx xx xx - Preferred display (used in all CSI publications. xx xxxx - alternate xxxxxx - alternate (perferred for file naming) You are correct in the paired numbering scheme (xx xx xx) is easier to read and that is one of the main reasons it is the preferred graphic display scheme. ---
**Author:** ![bunzick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a587f6/32.png) [@bunzick](https://forum.4specs.com/u/bunzick)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2004, 8:33pm UTC](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235/20 "2004-12-21T20:33:22Z")
To quote from the newly published MasterFormat: “When displayed graphically in master guide specifications, project manuals and elsewhere, it is recommended that delimiters be used between pairs of numbers to enhance readability. MasterFormat 2004 recommends that a space be used as the delimiter between Level 1 and Level 2, and again between Level 2 and Level 3… There are several options for graphic display of the first four Levels within the system as follows: 11 22 33.44 (recommended) 11 2233.44 112233.44” [Next page](https://forum.4specs.com/t/masterformat-2004-numbers-and-titles/235.md?page=2)